Tuir Maluk Nito alias Antero Bendito katak :
“Nai-koli..atencao deit...
karik ita mos bele dehan: Partido Demokraiku ekuivalencia ba faksaun ida husi RENETIL (La Sama--ho Sabino) neebe dominasi ho kultura javanese nian!! --ativista baze timor versus faksaun renetil neebe halo traisaun ba espiritu movementu RENETIL hodi hari PD. (idem) Hey Naikoli... FRETILIN laiha Maputu! imi esplika took, Maputu signifika saida? imi intelektual ida mak tulun kampanha fali ba tendencia primordial sira nee." Nito (Fórum-Loriku, 09/04/2007).
“Nai-koli..atencao deit...
karik ita mos bele dehan: Partido Demokraiku ekuivalencia ba faksaun ida husi RENETIL (La Sama--ho Sabino) neebe dominasi ho kultura javanese nian!! --ativista baze timor versus faksaun renetil neebe halo traisaun ba espiritu movementu RENETIL hodi hari PD. (idem) Hey Naikoli... FRETILIN laiha Maputu! imi esplika took, Maputu signifika saida? imi intelektual ida mak tulun kampanha fali ba tendencia primordial sira nee." Nito (Fórum-Loriku, 09/04/2007).
Tuir linhas orientasaun jerais Renetil nian iha Estatuto Interna Renetil (EIR) iha ninia artigo 2º, nº3. koalia nune: (...) A RENETIL se incumbe da preparação de profissionais elevados de consciência revolucionaria para continuar a Luta de Libertação do Povo Maubere através da Reconstrução Nacional de Timor Leste.
Interpreta ba pontus ida ne´e bele traduz iha participasaun militante Renetil nian iha processu ba Ukun Rasik An (Libertasaun ba patria). Participasaun militante Renetil nia bele hare iha areas hotu-hotu iha sociedade Timor nian: husi politika, NGO´s, Mas media, agentes juridika sira, no sst. Hare fila mos (http://www.geocities.com/naikoli0231/renetil_orasnee.html).
Participasaun militante Renetil iha politika mos la taka, tamba hare hanesan materializasaun husi linha orientasaun ne rasik. Neduni militante sira iha ida-idak ninia opsaun atu participa iha processo ba «rekonstrusaun nasional», balun participa iha politika partidaria ba tama partido sira nebe´e iha ona ka historika sira, ou harii partido mesak, kasu konkretu maka militante lubung oan ida tur ho sira seluk harii PD. La taka militante sira seluk participa iha Fretilin hanesan: Aderito Soares, Aniceto Guterres, Arsénio Bano, no sira seluk tan. No sira nebe maske Laos militante Fretilin mas sira nia kontribuisaun iha Governo mos importante, kasu Dr. Rui Araújo, Ministro Saúde no vice-PM, Dra. Odete Vítor, Ministro Obras Publica.
Hetan influencia husi Kultura Javanesa?
Klaru Belun Nito rasik estuda uluk iha Universidade Timor-Timur (UNTIM), hetan mos influencia husi kultura Javanesa. Ne la lika nega, se ita nega ne´e hatudu katak «ita maka ignorante duni», tamba sistema politika indonesia nian mos hetan influencia husi kultura hotu-hotu mos inkluindo kultura Javanesa. Tamba Pedoman Pengantar Ilmu pengatuhuan nebe´e Nito estuda iha UNTIM mos hetan influencia husi Kultura Javanesa. Waihira koalia kultura, la iha ida maka aat no ida maka diak, kultura kompleta ida ho seluk. Kultura ida hodi haburas kultura seluk, hatene sira nia kultura no hodi valoriza hau nia kultura rasik. Hatene kultura luzitania no javenesa hodi valoriza kultura Maubere. Tamba saída maka belun Nito ba estuda iha Irlanda neba, Laos tamba hakarak aprende kultura seluk?
Belun Nito ninia haktuir katak Renetil hetan influencia husi Kultura Javanesa no lori ida ne´e tradus katak PD mos hetan influencia husi Kultura Javanesa. Laos tur-tur belun Nito hakerek ka halo afirmasaun ida ne´e, maibe hola parte ba estrategia ida, probaganda kontra PD rasik. Iha mos intensaun, tansaida maka belun Nito halo afirmasaun nune? Hare lolos akusa no kritika ba sira neba maka publika ka relata konaba incidente nebe envolve Grupos apoiante Fretilin Radikal Maputo hasoru Pe. Henrique iha Ermera. Tuir lolos sira be belun kritika no akusa maka ne´e: STL nebe halo reportagem konaba akontecimentu ida ne´e. Husi sorin seluk, website: www.lafaek.com nebe publika fila fali. Maibe intensaun klaru los hakarak ataka hau, waihira ita ataka pessoal ne´e subjectiva demais. Belun Nito uja termu sira hanesan «intelektual», tuir lolos mos tenke hatudu katak belun mos intelektual, tamba belun ba foti master iha Irlanda neba mos intelektual, maibe akusasaun ne´e mos buka iha nivel intelektual. Hanesan Timor nia lian «bele hasae ailuruk iha ema seluk nia matan maibe ita labeasae ailuruk iha ita nia matan rasik».
Grupo Maputo, tansaida?
Se maka hasae naran ida ne´e to´o populer, laos FRETILIN rasik, sira nebe hasae naran Fretilin Radikal Maputo (FRM) ne´e mos emar militante Fretilin rasik. Tamba existe faksi rua ida naran: F_M (Fretilin Mudanças) no seluk naran FRM (Fretilin Radikal Maputo). Ne koresponde ba jogo poder nebe´e existe iha Fretilin laran rasik.
Explikasaun lolos ne´e, hare didiak husu ba sira be naran F_M maka bele fo hanesan explikasaun nebe´e kompeltu liu ba belun Nito. Neduni buat ida naran F_M ho FRM ne´e koresponde ba jogo interesse politika iha Fretilin laran.
Referencia seluk:
http://www.geocities.com/naikoli0231
http://www.forum-haksesuk.blogspot.com
Komentariu husi Militante Renetil sira konaba:PD hetan influencia husi Kultura Javanesa?
ResponderEliminar1. Abel Pires,Melborn,Australia
fonte ka sumber:renetil@yahoogroups.com
Hau hanoin, Nito nia analisa konaba PD ho Renetil ne SALAH KAPRAH! Kuando halo analisa iha NAKUKUN laran, nia rejultado mos arbiru deit.
La hanesan Fretilin nebe mak fahe malu ba MAPUTO ho MUDANSA, Renetil laiha faksaun JAWA ho LISBOA.
Lasama ema ida que iha RENETIL nia laran to'o DETIK IDA NE, sei nafatin figur UNIDADE! Militane R hotu sei halibur fali kuando Lasama hakarak bolu! Hau hatete ba ita bot, kuando Lasama bolu, R nia ema iha estrageiru mos sei fo resposta!
Lasama ho Asanami iha PD laos tanba at malu ho Renetil. Justru agora strutura R barak mak hamutuk ona ho Lasama.
R nia ema iha fatin barak. Iha Fretilin, hanesan Aderito, PSD hanesan Mana Lucia ho nia kaben, sst.
Maibe hakarak jujur, R nia ema barak mak halibur ona iha PD. Ida ne ida-idak nian konsiensia! Estrategia R nian laos estrategia nebe mak trasa ba organizasaun ida deit! Maibe iha qulqer fatin, militante R bele aplika estrategia sira ne!
R nia prinsipio mak APARTIDADE! Ida ne desde R ne hari iha Bali. Tanba ne mak militantes mos mai husi Timor oan tomak.
2.Vitor Tavares,Porto,Portugal.
Fonte ka sumber:renetil@yahoogroups.com
Biasa, tetangga seperti tuan rumah tahu semua isi ruang dalam rumah orang.
Koalia arbiru la iha fundamento, la conhece realidade para que koalia.
Atu fo hatene no reforça tan deit sa ida mak Abel hato'o ba maluk Timor oan Nito. Katak RENETIL la'os organização nebe hanesan ho organização nebe em geral ema conhece ninian funcionamento. Militantes sira RENETIL nebe to'o minuto ida ne'e iha Partido Democrático, sira sei militante RENETIL nafatin to'o minuto ida ne'e duni. Só iha diferença iha sira nian estatudo : ACTIVO no PASSIVO. Se ema ruma sei iha duvida sobre ida ne'e, ha'u mos la iha tan forma seluk atu explica tanba la iha tan explicação seluk nebe simples liu ida ne'e.
Mak ne'e deit
Victor
3. Mateus Gonçalves, Dili,Timor-Leste
fonte ka sumber:renetil@yahoogroups.com
Maluk Nito,
Saida maka Companhero Abel, Victor no Naikoli mensiona
ne'e--hau sente los duni.
Nudar militante Renetil, karik hau mos ladung aceita
quando Nito dehan Renetil ne'e combinasaun entre
membro ne'e be iha rai laran no sira ne'e be maka iha
Indonesia (Nito dehan sira ne'be iha Indonesia ne'e
contamina e hetan influensia maka'as husi cultura
Indonesia nian). Mai hau influensia intermos de
cultura ne'e laiha problema, cultura iha Indonesia mos
laos at hotu deit.
Ami rekonhese katak buat barak--mesmu la barak
liu--maka ami aprende husi sosiedade Indonesia. Inclui
mos oinsa ita aproxima grup pro-democracia sira para
atu supporta ita nia luta, desenvolve ita nia
capacidade intelektual ho matenek nain Indonesia nian.
Hau sente se ita hare fali ba kotuk karik, molok CNRT
halibur entidades hotu-hotu (UDT, APODETE, KOTA,
FRETILIN) para atu hodi movimento ukun rasik a'an
avanca ba oin--karik hau bele gava oituan--Renetil
maka primeira vez loke "odamatan" ba grupo hotu-hotu,
la hare sira mai husi ne'e be, para atu halibur aa'n
iha knua ida naran Renetil ne'e. Hau husu favor para
companhero sira seluk bele koreksi hela karik keta hau
salah e terlalu 'bombastis."
Laiha grupo rua iha Renetil, R ida deit. Karik sira
ne'e be maka Nito dehan "faksi Timor" ne'e--hau sente
companhero sira ne'e be maka nia estudo remata tia
iha jawa ou bali depois fila mai Timor, balu mos sira
nia estudo kotu deit iha dalan klaran (hanesan
Russuo, Virgilio Guterres, sst), balun husu azilu
politico e ba hela iha liur (portugal, olanda, sst).
R iha missaun ida que klaru, "oinsa atu bele fo
contribusaun iha area hotu-hotu wainhira TL ukun rasik
a'an." Balun hari NGO, balun sai ministro, balun hari
partido to candidata a'an ba PR hanesan acontese ba
La Sama no Lucia Lobato agora dadaun.
Militante R sira hotu sempre tau nafatin prinsipio ida
iha sira nia ulun: Ukun an sei la iha nia
significasaun wainhira ita livre deit husi
kolonialismo, maibe ukun sai iha valor bo'ot liu tan
quando ita servisu para bele liberta povo husi beik,
hamlaha, kiak no ignorancia. Hau sente R seidauk
finaliza sira nia missaun ida ne'e--mas sira komesa
conquista ona meios ruma para atu complete prinsipio
gerais ida ne'e.
Hau senta ne'e laos tempo ida diak mai ita para atu
cria divisaun entre ita no mos entre organizasaun.
Agora oinsa maka ita halibur, tetu ponto de vista
hotu-hotu nian para atu bele contribui netik buat ruma
ba ita nia rai doben ida ne'e.
Hau hanoin hau nia maka ne'e deit e hakoak bot ba
companhero sira hotu.
MG
Husi:Teodoro Freitas
ResponderEliminarfonte ka sumber:renetil@yahoogroups.com
Se PD sira hetan influensia javanesa tanba sira barak husi Renetil, entaun FRetilin mos hetan influensia hotu, tanba membro Governo barak mos elemento Renetil nian no hasai kursu iha Indonesia. Rui Maria nebee Vice-Primeiro Ministro mos RENETIL no hasai nia kursu iha Indonesia. Seidauk konta ho Arsenio, Arcanjo, Ovidio, George Teme ho sira seluseluk tan.
Sira nebe eskola iha Timor husi preprimaria to'o universidade, iha tinan 20 resin liu ba, hothotu hetan influencia Indonesia nian. Nee realidade ida. Maski sira hetan influencia balu husi Indonesia, maibe sira la fa'an sira nian principio hodi luta ba ukun-an. La hanesan membru Fretilin balu nebee uluk siak tebes, maibe fila an hodi defende integrasaun e agora tauk la fila Timor e sei hela nafatin iha Indonesia.
Kuandu ita frustrado mak halo analise, ninia resultado mos kleuk hela.
Obrigado
Hau hanoin Maluk Nito sei hanesan antek-antek divisionista sira. Tempu barak ke maluk nee uza hodi defende deit tese ninia senior sira iha Fretilin.
ResponderEliminarNusa mak sei dukur nafatin, nusa la hanoin atu hadiaa propriedade hirak nebe Indonesia rai hela fo ita nebe Maluk Nito sira destroy hotu ona.
Hau tauk mak Maluk sira nee claim sira nia an hanesan kaer kultura jenuinu Timor mais, sira nia laran konsege at liu fali bandidu sira nebe sira nia idealismu hanesan.
Dala ruma ema atu hanesan fali tigri ida, ema hana nia atu mate ona hakilar haksoit arbiru deit.
Se maluk sira nee sinti sira nia an ema karik para ho hanoin nebe ema la usa ona.
EG
Advogado iha Timor
To: renetil@yahoogroups.com
ResponderEliminarFrom: "Lorosae Photography" lorosaephotos@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:51:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [renetil] Re: [komentario) (Resposta ba Nito) PD hetan influencia husi kultura Javanesa?
Maluk sira,
Hau hakarak reforsa tan maluk balun nia tanggapan ba maluk Nito nia hakere ne'e: 1. RENETIL la os partidu politiku. 2. Militante Renetil bele tama ou hari'i Partidu. Sah-sah saja karik ema RENETIL sira nebe partidu la hanesan contra malu.
Maibe, atu dehan RENETIL ho RENETIL mak fahe ba rua hau hanoin lae karik. Maluk barak fo ona ezemplu barak maibe hakarak aumenta tan katak ema RENETIL barak mos iha FRETILIN i balun mos sai ona i hanaran nia an Mudansa. Nune'e mos iha PMD, PD, PST, ASDT, UNDERTIM CNRT dan PR, Renetil barak los iha laran. Militantes barak mos mak independente, balun sai jornalistas, Padre no seluk tan. Intereses partidu la hanesan la signifika ema RENETIL fahe ba rua. Partidu bele la hanesan maibe ema RENETIL hatene liu nia an katak nia militantes RENETIL nafatin.
Kuandu ema ida mak laos militante ou la conhese didiak RENETIL dalabarak mak halo asumsaun sala. Ne'e duni maluk Nito nia hanoin ne'e la los. La bele hare'e durante ne'e RENETIL keta la dun aktif depois ita hatete RENETIL fahe ba rua.
Hakuak boot,
Ze'
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ResponderEliminarFrom: "Joaquim Fonseca" russo@minihub.org
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:30:26 +0900
Subject: Re: [renetil] Re: [komentario) (Resposta ba Nito) PD hetan influencia husi kultura Javanesa?
Maluk sira,
Every time people make identification, allegation or accusation, I tend to think that there is an intention behind it. During the Portuguese time, stereotypes such as 'uncivilized, maubere and selvagem' were used to identify Timorese as being INFERIOR from the Portuguese. Indonesian military called us with GPK, kepala-dua, oramg hutan, etc, to put us in an inferior position. Negative stereotyping was a tool of colonial hegemony!!! That is understood somehow, because I think that if they had seen us as equals, they would not have colonise our country in the first place.
Surprisingly, some of our fellow country men repeated the choir just after we've 'kicked the ass' of both colonial powers out of our country. Those of us who studied in Indonesia were called 'sarjana supermi' by some unknown person, or more precisely by a person or some persons who have no courage to have their identities revealed.
Here, Nito alleged that Lasama and Mariano are dominated by Javanese culture. I wonder what Nito actually meant when he made that comment. Did he suggest that Lasama and Mariano are BAD or INFERIOR than he is because they have Javanese influence? I am sure that Lasama and Mariano, having been exposed to Javanese culture for sometime, have some level of Javanese influence. But isn't is so for most Timorese who lived under the Indonesian occupation for over 24 years? Having lived under the Javanese rule for that long, who are we to say that we are so immune from their influence? If the Timorese polity is so pure, then how do we explain some of the political behaviours which mirror so much of what we see in Indonesia?
In 2001 I wrote a piece in Cidadaun, a newsletter published by Yayasan HAK, where I criticized the various actions of threat and political intimidation leading up to CA elections, which resembles so much of what the Timorese people witnessed during the Popular Consultation in 1999. So if Nito is attempting to parade a purity of political culture, I would just like to remind him of a fairy tail 'the emperor's new clothes'.
_________
The fairy tail goes as follows:
There lived an emperor who cared much about his clothes. One day his swindler, Guido and Luigi Farabutto said that they could make the finest suit of clothes from the most beautiful cloth. This cloth, they said, also had the special capability that it was invisible to anyone who was either stupid or not fit for his position.
Being a bit nervous about whether he himself would be able to see the cloth, the emperor first sent two of his trusted men to see it. Of course, neither would admit that they could not see the cloth and so praised it. All the townspeople had also heard of the cloth and were interested to learn how stupid their neighbors were.
The emperor then allowed himself to be dressed in the clothes for a procession through town, never admitting that he was too unfit and stupid to see what he was wearing. He was afraid that the other people would think that he was stupid.
Of course, all the townspeople wildly praised the magnificent clothes of the emperor, afraid to admit that they could not see them, until a small child said:
"But he has nothing on!"
This was whispered from person to person until everyone in the crowd was shouting that the emperor had nothing on. The emperor heard it and felt that they were correct, but held his head high and finished the procession.
________
So let us try to be more honest and more reflective before we put our finger in other people's life.
Best for all of you.
Russuo
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ResponderEliminarFrom: "Victor Tavares" victortavares2@yahoo.com.br
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 05:18:07 -0300 (ART)
Subject: Re: [renetil] Re: [komentario) (Resposta ba Nito) PD hetan influencia husi kultura Javanesa?
Companheiros sira,
Lalika lakon tempo ho ema nebe hakarak buka problemas hodi sukit tun sukit sa'e. Se sira hatene hanoin, la hanesan ho ema buta-huruf entaun hatene hare situação no compara buat nebe bele compara. Matan nakloke la'os ba ema seluk deit maibe hatene mos haree ninian an.
Se dun PD hetan cultura javanesa, no Fretilin la hetan influensia husi cultura estrangeira ne'e ema nebe nian hanoin nanotak, alias miskin iha ninian pengertian kona ba sasan ruma. Maibe atu bele fo hanoin deit katak asimilasi ho akulturasi ne'e importante iha qualquer nação iha mundo inklui mos nações desenvolvidas. Hetan kultura javanesa oin sa lai ??? Tenke hatene explica. E Fretilin ??? FRETILIN lidera husi Mari Alkatiri ne'e Fretilin RADIKAL DUNI. Fretilin Maputo Radikal tanba hetan influencia husi kultura, ambiente, usos kustumes, atitudes sociedade lokal no mos cultura origem dirigentes ruma mos fo nian influensia ba pratikas grupos ka organizasaun ruma. Ne'ebe Mari Alkatiri ho nian grupo nian atitude ne'e nian designasaun mak ida nebe ??? La'os radikal ???
Vitor
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ResponderEliminarFrom: "Marciano Silva" silvamarciano@yahoo.com View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
ResponderEliminarDate: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 01:33:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [forum-loriku] Re: [hametin_pdemocratico] Re: [komentario) (Resposta ba Nito) PD hetan influencia husi kultura Javanesa?
Maluk sira hotu,
Hau hanesan membro Renetil, hau hakarak hatete ba maluk Nito katak ao contrariu ho buat nebe ita boot
hatete, Renetil mosu para isola cultura javanes hosi Estudante Timoroan hotu. Maibe labuat ida, ita boot lakonhese Renetil tamba nee ita boot kahur ba kahur mai.Maluk Nito keta hasai kursu konaba kultura javanes karik, kultura javanes mak oinsa? Hau uluk kuliah iha Bali maibe hau lakonsege distingi kultura javanes, keta tamba prinsipiu Renetil nian nebe hau hatete iha leten ne karik.
Ita ema timor se ita lakohi qualquer influensia, seja javanes, ingles ou seluk tan ,
winhira ita hela deit iha foho Ramelau, Kablake, Matebian nia leten entaun ita lakona influensia sira nee. Maibe ita hela iha sidade ita la eskapa husi qualquer influencia kultural sira nee.Ita boot uza komputer, usa ingles, ka portuges hodi husu hahan iha restaurante ruma nee influensia kultural ida ona.
Iha mundu nee laiha kultura ida diak liu fali kultura
seluk.
Hakuat boot ba maluk sira hotu,
Marciano
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ResponderEliminarFrom: "Jose Neves" jose_nvs@yahoo.co.uk Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:58:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: [renetil] Re: [komentario) (Resposta ba Nito) PD hetan influencia husi kultura Javanesa?
Komentarius lubuk ida ona husi companheirus sira. Lian fuan badak deit. Ema hotu iha liberdade atuhasai nia opiniaun ka halo kritika kona ba but ruma. Kritikas ho komentarius ka opiniaun mos dala ruma hatudu se mak ita no hakarak saida.
Kuase bele hateten katak laiha ema ida ka ema oitoan deit iha Timor-Leste mak la hetan influencias husi kultura seluk. Se influencias balu iha valor karik tansa labele. Se iha buat ruma sala karaik sala iha nebe no tuir loos oinsa.
SmlRua.
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ResponderEliminarFrom: "Jose Neves" jose_nvs@yahoo.co.uk Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:58:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: [renetil] Re: [komentario) (Resposta ba Nito) PD hetan influencia husi kultura Javanesa?
Komentarius lubuk ida ona husi companheirus sira. Lian fuan badak deit. Ema hotu iha liberdade atuhasai nia opiniaun ka halo kritika kona ba but ruma. Kritikas ho komentarius ka opiniaun mos dala ruma hatudu se mak ita no hakarak saida.
Kuase bele hateten katak laiha ema ida ka ema oitoan deit iha Timor-Leste mak la hetan influencias husi kultura seluk. Se influencias balu iha valor karik tansa labele. Se iha buat ruma sala karaik sala iha nebe no tuir loos oinsa.
SmlRua.
From: "J Maria Guterres" wai_dura@yahoo.co.nz
ResponderEliminarDate: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:12:37 +1200 (NZST) Subject: [ETSA] OFENSA (Resposta ba Nito) RENETIL-PD hetan influencia husi kultura Javanesa?
Ridiculo!
Nudar militante, membro no simpatizante RENETIL hau mos hakarak expressa hau nia setimento de INDIGNACAO ba Nito nia TEORIA kona ba RENETIL.
Istoria recente no estatuto hakerek katak RENETIL apartidario kedas iha nia konstituisaun. Nia estatuto politico, estrutura no objectivo haforsa nia espaço, serviso no mobilizasaun. Resultado mak matematika konta nia militante no simpatizante sira, no apoio incondicional mak RENETIL hetan husi Komisi Gabungan Pembela Timor-Leste (KGPTL) iha Indonesia, hanesan: FORTILOS'98, SPRIM'95, SOLIDAMOR'97, FORSOLIDARESTE' 98, no basis gerakan mahasiswa pro-demokrasi. La haluha mos uniaun estudante timoroan sira iha Indonesia iha DPP-IMPETTU, no aksi bersama FRONPETIL, sst.
RENETIL nia misaum bo'ot ida mak luta kontra doctrine ou bele dehan kultura poltika-ideolojika regime ORBA ba timoroan sira.
Laiha relasaun ho asimilisaun ho budaya jawa ou hanesan Nito nia teoria "kultura javanesa". Curiously, cultura javanesa saida mak hau hatene no aprende diak mak HARMONIA ho nilai-nilai kelas sosial.
Difisil atu kumprende Nito nia logika dehan: PD, RENETIL (La Sama-ho Sabino) dominasi ho kultura javanese nian! Ce Cerá? Tendeciously, ne'e OFENSA ida ba PD, RENETIL no personally Fernando La Sama no Mariano Sabino Assanami. Ne'e atitudi la-honesta, la fo valor no difikudade atu reconhece sira nia existencia no vivencia mak dadauk moris no buras iha sociedade. Primeira impressao, hau hola kedas konkluzaun katak ne'e tentativa ida tan atu HATUN no DESACREDITA maluk sira nebe mak hasai kursu iha Indonesia liu-liu PD ho RENETIL, diskursu hanesan mos Mari Alkatiri menospreza ho lia-fuan SARJANA SUPERMI no FEHUK.
Congresso ikus iha 2004, RENETIL foti tema: "Hametin Ukun-an Ho Espiritu Foun", defini: Misaun, Vizaun no Objectivo Estrategico, hili dirasaun foun: Orgao Executivo, Conselho Central Curador no Comissão de Verificação e Audit, aprovado husi Presidencia do Congresso. Tan ne'e, nudar membro hau defende katak RENETIL la sadere ba neim partido politiku ida (apartidarismo) , maibe nafatin metin no servisu tuir orientasaun mai husi dirasaun exekutiva ho lideransa Jose Antonio de J. das Neves Samalarua.
Pessoalmente, hau desiludido no la tama iha kakutak ho pernyataan Antero Bendito da Silva alias Nito dehan: PD faksaun husi RENETIL no dominasi ho kultura javanesa. Ida ikus ne'e secara intelektual ita la simu. Injuria no la justo ba timoroan sira nebe ho kolen, susar ko kosar-ben eskola no hasai sarjana iha Indonesia.
Ridiculo!
J. Maria Guterres
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ResponderEliminarFrom: "Teodoro Freitas" teodtas@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:02:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [renetil] OFENSA (Resposta ba Nito) RENETIL-PD hetan influencia husi kultura Javanesa?
Maluk sira iha RENETIL,
Hau hakarak hatene lolos, maluk Nito nee mak Antero Bendito da Silva nebee uluk hanesan boot Dewan Solidaritas nian ka ema seluk mak naran hanesan ou lori naran ida nee. Karik Antero duni, hau hakarak tebes debate ho nian.
Ema barak ohin loron frustrado tanba sira lori sira nia organizasaun hatama tiha ba partido A ou B. Enquanto RENETIL nudar organizasaun ida independente nafatin. Sira frustrado liu tan tanba hare RENETIL mak hanesan atu ukun fali Timor. Hare deit, Rui Maria agora vice PM iha governo Fretilin nian, Longuinhos Monteiro, bele diak ou at mos agora hanesan Procurador Geral. Sira frustrado liu tan tanba haree La Sama ninia influencia mos hahu sae ona. Karik Xanana la apoia Horta no nonok deit karik, La Sama ba segunda volta no hatun Lu Olo ho halimar.
Tanba buat hirak ne hotu mak sira agora frustrado no hakarak buka estraga RENETIL nia naran. RENETIL laos organizasaun ida tabele tuir ema ka forsa ida, desde uluk kedas nia independente iha ninia hanoin ho aksaun, maski sempre halo koordenasaun ho Komando da Luta. Tanba ninia independensia ida nee mak ohin loron nia la sinti an oan kiak atu buka aman ruma atu protege sira hanesan organizasaun sira seluk halo.
Hau hanoin nem iha estatuo Fretilin nian rasik, nem iha qualquer forsa ka organizasaun politika ida iha Timor, mak iha sira nia estatuto organico hateten ho klaru tebes buka isola estudantes Timor oan sira husi influencia politika, ekonomika ho kultura javanes nian. Diak liu maluk Nito ba lori organizasaun hothotu ninia estatuto tau hotu iha mesa/meja letan hodi halo komparasaun, iha ida nebee nian mak koalia kona ba isola kultura javanes nian. Atu ajuda loke maluk Nito nia matan, favor ida ba le linhas gerais Renetil nian, husi ponto tolu nebe mak iha, ida temi klaru tenes kona ba isola buat hirak ne. Neduni, lalika halo an hanesan ema invetigador, maibe hakerek buat ida hanesan fali kakatua nebee hatene rona no imita deit, maibe la buka hatene antes de imita tuir.
RENETIL orgulho tanba ninia militante sira namakari iha partido hotuhotu. Kleur ou cedo, se Fretilin kontinua iha Alkatiri nian influencia okos, mak Arsenio Bano sei sae too iha Sekretario Geral e bele sai PM se Fretilin manan. Ohin loron Alkatiri prepara hela Arsenio Bano. Keta tanba mos ida ne mak maluk sira la RENETIL, inclui Nito ne hodi sai frustrado hodi naran hakerek hodi dehan at RENETIL nee karik?
Hakoak boot
Teodoro
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ResponderEliminarFrom: "Abel Pires da Silva" abel_piresds@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:32:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ETSA] Re: [renetil] OFENSA (Resposta ba Nito) RENETIL-PD hetan influencia husi kultura Javanesa?
Maluk sira,
1. Uluk liu Alkatiri mak trata dehan ita mesak Sarjana Supermi!
2. Tuir fali DR Helen Hill nebe mak ita hotu respeitu, mos trata ita dehan katak Indonesia la hanorin ita atu hanoin konaba ita nia an rasik, tuir nia liafuan dehan (Indonesia did not train graduates to think for themselves and address development problems; they were trained to take orders and rarely given responsibility for management.) Katak ita laiha kondisaun atu kontribui iha dezenvolvimentu Timor nian.
3. Agora Antero mos trata tan ita dehan ita nakonu ho Cultura Javanes. Kala tuir nia hanoin ita mos laos murni Timor-oan ona tanba Culturally contaminated !
Lahatene tanba saida mak sira hakarak alieneza ita husi prosesu dezenvolvimentu Timor nian ne???
Abel
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ResponderEliminarFrom: "Félix de Jesus" carrefour_on@yahoo.com.br
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:47:28 -0000
Subject: [ETSA] Re: [renetil] OFENSA (Resposta ba Nito) RENETIL-PD hetan influencia husi kultura Javanesa?
Debate ne´e naruk maibe diak!
Hau hanoin, maluk sira nebe escola iha Java lalika hakfodak ho
akuzasaun ou cinismu oan basa ema hotu ka estudante hotu nebe passa
iha estrangeiru uluk nanain tenke aprende ema nia kultura tamba
hanesan minoritas iha ema nia rain ita labele impor ita nia kultura
ba ema seluk. Assimilação importante, lori ita tam ema ni sistema se ita hakarak aprende husi kultura maioritária maibe TIMOR OAN NEBE BA JAVA, TIMOR OAN NAFATIN. Se muda buat ruma, muda mak hanoin, mentalidade no preparasaun necessário hodi transita-an fali ba kultura timor nian.
Kona ba komentario hirak dehan, Idonésia la prepara diak Timor oan
sira! Nia iha razaun parsil ida maibe atu hatene oinsá desenvolve ita nia rain Timor la precisa Indonesia hanorin nune´e mos atu identifica problemas, hanesan Timor oan, ita hatene hela saida mak ita nia problema!
Ne´e hau nia haré, autor: artigo ne´e keta iha intensaun seluk ruma
ka hakarak hatete buat seluk ho titulo ne´e karik hau la hatene!
SE MAK BA JAVA, LAOS JAVA OAN
abraço
Félix
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ResponderEliminarFrom: "José Pereira" lelobere4@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:45:52 +0100
Subject: Re: [ETSA] Re: [renetil] OFENSA (Resposta ba Nito) RENETIL-PD hetan influencia husi kultura Javanesa?
Loron kmanek ba belun sira hotu,
Uluk nananin hau ata atu fo hatene deit katak hau ata uluk la tama iha RENETIL, maibe nudar Timor oan ida, hau ata mos fiar katak, RENETIL nee hanesan soin Timor Lorosae nian no ba Timor oan tomak nian wainhira ita hare husi ninia knar nebe nia halao iha loron kolonial Indonesia nian, katak nia sai nudar movimentu ida nebe halibur eskola oan tomak Timor Lorosae nian nebe namkari lemo-lemo iha Indonesia laran hodi halo funu (luta) hamutuk ba hetan fila fali ita nia ukun rasik an nian, neduni iha nee, hau ata hakarak mos fahe deit hau ata nia hare no hanoin iha haksesuk malu ida nee, liu-liu konaba RENETIL - LISAN (KULTURA) JAWA NIAN no RENETIL iha loron ohin nian (loron ukun rasik an nian).
Wainhira RENETIL nee hetan influensia husi lisan ema jawa nian tamba nia moris no buras iha neba, tuir hau ata nia hare no hanoin, nee sei la sai ba lia (problema) ida. Naran katak lisan nebe sira hetan nee bele tulun hodi hadia no haburas tan ita nia lisan rasik iha ita nia rai laran wainhira ita ukun rasik an. Wainhira lisan ida nee ita nia belun sira nee lori mai hodi halo at ka sobu fali ita nia lisan mak la diak. Katak sira la bele foti fali ema seluk nia lisan hodi tau fali iha ita nia rain hodi dehan fali nee mak ita nian hodi hatun ka halakon fali ita nian. Hau ata laran susar no moras wituan wainhira hare ita nia belun no boot Timor oan balun ba foti fali ema seluk nia lisan ka kultura hodi mai tau fali iha ita nia rain laran hodi dehan nee mak ita nian no nee mak ita nia "identidadi". Hahalok ida hanesan nee mak tuir lolos ita nudar Timor oan, nudar Maubere oan, nudar foin sae, nudar Timor Lorosae nia loron aban, ita la bele simu. Ita bele foti ema seluk nia lisan hodi hadia, haburas no hasoin ita nia lisan, maibe la bele foti hodi tau nia nudar ita nian no ita nia identidadi, nee hanesan ita hamoe no hatun ita nia an rasik nudar ema (povu) ida no rain (nasaun) ida. Buat nebe halo hau ata laran susar, laran moras no moe mak ida nee ita nia belun no boot sira nee balun moe no lakohi simu liafuan ida "MAUBERE" nee nudar ita nia lisan no identidadi povu ida nian, maibe sira haksolok no haksoit los wainhira sira hili, foti no tau liafuan ida "Portuges" hanesan ita nia liasan no identidadi. Too ohin loron, hau ata seidauk hare ita nia belun sira husi RENETIL nee foti lisan ema jawa nian hodi tau ba ita nia rain hodi dehan katak nee mak ita nia lisan no identidadi, neduni ba atan hau nee la iha lia ka problema ida konaba influensia nebe sira hetan husi ita nia belun sira rai jawa nian.
Wainhira ita ukun rasik an tiha ona, tuir hau ata nia hare no hanoin, RENETIL nee mos tenke rai hela ba iha nia fatin nebe soi ba nia nudar riku soin rai Timor Lorosae nian, rai ona ba iha ita nia istoria atu nunee ita nia oan no bei-oan sira sei foti no hahi nafatin nia husi otas ba otas. Ita nia oan no bei-oan sira sei hare ba nia no ema sira nebe hari nia hodi bele dehan katak uluk ita nia inan aman sira, bei-ala sira ho sira nia aten brani funu hodi duni sai ema kolonial sira hodi hetan fila fali ita nia ukun rasik an, ohin loron ita tenke iha nafatin aten brani hanesan sira hodi duni sai kiak, susar no beik husi ita nia rain doben Timor Lorosae, atu nunee ita bele hetan ukun rasik an lolos husi ema seluk nia hanehan no husi kiak, susar no beik nia sama okos.
Konaba ita nia belun Nito (Antero) nia liafuan hirak nee, tuir hau ata nia hare ita lalika foti ba lia boot ida atu ita foin sae oan sira hodi haketak malu fali hanesan ita nia katuas boot sira halo nebe too ohin loron lori deit susar no terus mai iha ita nia rain. Dalaruma tamba nia koalia lalais no la hanoin didiak mak koalia sala tiha hanesan nee. Maibe ita hotu lalika lori ba lia boot ida nebe sei la tulun ita nia moris hamutuk nudar foin sae Timor oan nian.
Wainhira ita hamutuk sei iha kbiit no sei la monu, maibe wainhira ita namkari ita sei kbiit laek no sei monu...!
Hakuak boot ida
Lelobere
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ResponderEliminarFrom: "Victor Tavares" victortavares2@yahoo.com.br
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:15:21 -0300 (ART)
Subject: Re: [renetil] OFENSA (Resposta ba Nito) RENETIL-PD hetan influencia husi kultura Javanesa?
Abel,
Fo hatene ba Antero atu nia interioriza didiak sa ida mak CULTURA. Se nian ema matenek ruma nia hatene ona katak cultura javanesa mos hanorin ita Timor oan ohin loron sai matenek barak tanba hasai curso iha cultura javanesa nian leet inclui mos nia Antero. Maioria gerasaun foun nebe gerasaun tuan sira trata aat, insulta sira ne'e moris no boot iha cultura javanesa nian okos, maibe gerasaun foun sira ne'e duni mak futuro líder no dirigentes ba nação Timor-Leste. Antero ne'e rasik pertence gerasaun ida nebee, karik nia pertence tuan kalu sira nebe ai-tonka komesa hafuhu hein hela sira ne'e karik. Se nia mos pertense gerasaun foun entaun diak liu haruka nian aprende tan saida mak buat KULTURA. Basaa, atu RENETIL ka atu PD, organização hirak ne'e nian EMA la'os sekumpulan buta huruf sira mak harii no iha prganizasaun hirak ne'e, se karik Antero haree ema sira iha RENETIL ho PD ne'e mesak maufehuk hanesan ema balu hanaran ba sira entaun Antero nian alegasaun ne'e bele besik uitoan ba realidade, tanba militantes organização rua mesak maufehuk nebe naran ra'ut arbiru kultura javanesa nian hodi aplika no fo influensia ba kultura origem Timor ka kultura ida nebe diak liu kultura javanesa.
Neduni, se Antero ne'e ema ida nebe iha maturidade no iha netik dignidade entaun nian tenke HUSU DESKULPA ba ema RENETIL no PD sira tanba ninian akuzasaun falsu no la iha fundamentu ne'e.
Mak ne'e deit
Victor
LAIHA DIFERENÇA ENTRE CULTURA JAVA NIAN HO CULTURA KALADI NIAN.
ResponderEliminarHau ema kaladi, hau moris iha Aileu. Hau hasai hau nia sarjana iha Jakarta. Hau hasai hau nia mestrado iha Manchester/Inglaterra. Maibe hau nunka hatudu hau nia a'an hanesa ema Jawa ida ou hanesa ema ingles ida. Hau iha hau nia kultura. Hau iha hau nia identida. Hau nunka moe koalia hau nia lian Mambae. Hau nunka moe ba hemo kafe iha hau nia abon ka tiun sira nebe mama malus mean i han hela iha hanek metan leten.
Depois de estuda iha Jawa, e depois de hatutan tan hau nia estudo iha Inglaterra, hau to'o de loke matan ba buat rua.
Ida hau hafoin hare katak ema malae mutin Europa Leste sei konsege atrasado e kiak liu ema Timor sira.
Rua, Timor nia kultura husi parte ema Kaladi nian kuaze hanesan ho kultura ema Java sira nian. Ezemplo ida. Ema Jawa bele kaben ho feto hat tanba religiaun Islam nian autoriza. Nune'e mos iha Timor. Uluk ami ema kaladi nia liurai sira bele kaben ho feto sanulu ka rua nulu tan. Ezemplo rua. Ema Java han ho liman. Ema kaladi mos han ho liman kuando han manu kelen ruma ka nan ruin ruma, tanba ema kaladi laiha kultura ou seidauk to'o kultura hodi han ho tudik. Ezemplo tolu, ema Jawa nunka hatán ba ema nebé sira konsidera hanesan bo'ot liu sira. Ema kaladi mós nunka hatán ba ema nebé sira konsidera bo'ot lia sira. Ema kaladi sempre dehan "conforme nai sira" (I follow what you say). Exemplo hat. Ema Java sempre tur iha rai kuando sira atu koalia ho ema nebe bo'ot liu sira. Ami ema kaladi mos hanesan. Ami nia ema povo sira sempre tur iha rai kuando sira koalia ba ema bo'ot sira. Exemplo nen. Ema feto Java sira respeita sira nia lain/kaben (suami/husband) hanesan liurai bot ida. Ami nia inan kaladi sira mos hanesan. Sira nunka tur iha mesa kuando sira nia lain/kaben han iha mesa e sira ba serve sira nia lain hanesan escrava ida. Ami nia aman sira konsidera ami nia inan sira hanesan escrava tanba tuir lisan ami ema kaladi ne'e, ema mane sira hola kotu ema feto sira liu husi barlake. Ezemplo hitu, ami ema kaladi sempre usa "Ami ata ou ami atan" kuandi ami koalia ho ema nebe mak ami konsidera bo'ot liu ami. Iha kulutra Jawa mos hanesan.
Ami nia kultura hanesan hau fo ezemplo iha leten ne'e iha tiha ona antes de religiaun katolika mosu iha Timor i antes de ema Java sira tama iha Timor. Religiaun katolika maka estraga tiha ami nia valores kulturais barak hanesan labele hola feto tolu ka hat.
Liu husi ezemplo sira iha leten ne'e, hau brani atu to'o konklusaun katak kultura Java nian ho kultura ami ema Kaladi nian hanesan deit. RENETIL laaprende buat foun ida hosi kultura Java nian. Ou selae hau bele dehan RENETIL aprende deit buat fuan ida husi kultura Java nian. Buat ne'e maka maneira atu ható agradesimento ba ema hodi usa lia fuan "TERIMA KASIH" (Obrigado), tanba ami ema Kaladi tau ami nia a'an hanesan ema atan ida, ema kiak ida nebe so bele simu deit i nunka bele fo fila fali. Ami nia aman sira sempre dehan deit "MAROMAK SEI SELU".
Se ema ruma dehan RENETIL iha influencia kultura Java, entaun ema ne'e kal laos ema kaladi ida. Nia kal ema malae oan ruma nebe iha kultura seluk. Ou nia laiha kultura hanesan ami ema kaladi sira nian nebe hanesan hau haktuir iha leten ne'e (he must be a man from another planet with different culture and cultural values).
Basilio Araujo
Master in Critical Theory
Alumni Manchester Metropolitan University, UK (1997)
Alumni British Chevening Awards 1995/1996
Tuir Hau nia observasao katak RENETIL nee laos Hari atu suporta Partido ruma ka grupo ruma nia interest privado. Tuir hau hare katak: RENETIL hanesan organisasao juventude hari atu hakuak estudante sira hotu, oinsa bele tur hamutuk aprende organisasao buka solusao alternativa hamutuk iha organisasao laran nomos share ideas ba malun liu husi besperensia nebe ema hotu hetan ona hanesan leadership, advokasia, ka seluk-selukan (capacity building).
ResponderEliminarKarik iha maluk balun uja organisasao RENETIL hodi submete ba partido ida ka ema ruma nia interes entaun hau bele dehan katak RENETIL laos ona organisaso juventude maibe hanesan fali Oraganisaso rede partido nian.
Hanesan maluk balun dehan tena katak RENETIL uluk iha indonesia nia tempo hari (BALI) atu bolu joven sira tur hamutuk halo diskusao buka solusao2 alternativa oinsa bele resolve problema Timor nia problema iha tempo indonesia nia okupasao.
wainhira ukun ann tiha ema balun hakarak uja RENETIL nia naran hodi submete ba partido ida or individual ruma nia interest. Entaun hau hanoin idanee lalos ona.
RENETIL mosu iha tempo ukun ann tamba hare problema Povu Timor nian nebe defisil oinsa bele hases ann husi kiak nomos beik liu husi trainamento estudante nia kapasidae iha area organisasao. RENETIL iha tempo agora hamrik laos atu submete fali ba partido. sekarik maluk malun sei uja strategia idanee hodi halo presao ideas ka seluk2 tan, idanee hau bele dehan katak RENETIL lanetral ona. RENETIL agora itabele dehan hanesan rede partido PD nian, ka seluk2 tan.
entaun mak nee det. depois ita kontinua fali.
NOLAY
VIVA RENETIL, VIVA ESTUDANTE TIMOR,
ResponderEliminarVIVA XANANA GUSMAO,VIVA MARIO CARASCALAO, VIVA LASAMA, VIVA MILITANTES R SIRA HOTU,
VIVA F-FDTL, VIVA IGREIJA TIMOR, TEMPO TOO ONA PARA GERASAUN FOUN HOLA PARTE BOOT LIU ATU GOVERNA NASAUN IDA NEE
PD TENQUE PREPARA AAN ATU SIMU TONGKAT STEFET HUSI GERASAUN TUAN.
LUTA R-NIAN NUNGKA BELE PARA, NASAUN PRESISA GERASAUIN FOUN HO IDEAS INOVATIVO, CRETAIVO, E INSPIRASAUN FOUN
R-PRONTO PARA RESOLVE PROBLEMA NASAUN IDA NEE.
Haré comentário hirak iha leten ne'e , hau iha tendensia atu fo resposta ba maluk Basílio de Araújo , mak hanesan tuir mai ne'e :
ResponderEliminarSe ita koalia kona ba religiaun katólika mak sai hanesan buat nebe la diak , tan deit impede ita Timor oan nia kultura , hau hanoin ne'e irmaun Basílio sala bo'ot . Tamba atu sai sarani , tuir ema ida naran Jesus Cristo ne'e la iha ema ida mak obriga ida seluk atu tuir . Tamba ne'e , irmaun Basílio biar sarani ona , maibe sente katak , sarani buat ida ke la diak , irmaun bele tama fali ba islam , para bele hola feto to'o sanulu . Hau hanoin ida ne'e Jesus rasik mos sei la hirus , Nia sei la mosu ba irmaun atu kaer netik tiha. Maibe dala barak , maski ita sarani tiha ona , tuir tiha ona mala'e mutin nia kultura , maibe ita sei hola sub-subar feto iha liur , bosok ita nia fen kaben , puta hira ona mak ita la bomba . Ne'e deit hatudu katak ita sei mantém ita nia kultura . Se Basílio hakarak hola feto liu tan hodi hakonu Basilio nia uman , bele deit , naran katak ferik oan ida uluk ne'e simu sira hotu . Tamba ne'e la lika bosok ita nia - an rasik .
Maluk militante sira hotu
ResponderEliminarlalika perda tempo coalia ho eme nebe identifikaan intelektual mais mentalidade animal, buka mak sobu familia,comunidade,nasaun, e at liu tan laiha spiritu atu valorija cultura.
hau hanoin militante R tomak iha ona consiensia ba estatutu atu ddka nia an lao nusa e oin sa bele Haburas nia nasaun,,, atu hateten deit ba maluk krtka nain sira katak" Renetil" org. ida que hanorin nia militante sira atu serv nasaun laos serv partidu ida tuir nia constituisaun
Hau fiar katak spiritu renetil nian apartidaru sei metin nafatin iha ita ida2 nia spirtu dezenvolve ta nia nasaun.
Lasama ho Mariano hanesan deit instrumentu da hos spritu enetl nian atu dezenvolve Rai doben, mais laos Mariano,lasama maka R,,, Renetil nia spiritu ha partidu hotu2 nia laran i iha pvu nia laran
Renetil hanesan kekuatan social control povu nian atu nasaun bele lao ho dikak, ida ne mak Reetil
hau nia abracos ba companherus sira hotu
Flavio/edi
FIJI
maun nito nia analisa ne'e sarat ho political disatisfaction ba buat ruma.
ResponderEliminarmaibe , loron ruma atu analise buat ruma tem que hare ho proportional. ok !
boa sorte